Re: Why Are So Many Americans in Prison?

On Sep 9, 2007, at 9:36 PM, Jordan Hayes wrote:

You just said that the US has a rate of incarceration that’s 8x
France, and that 1/3 of it is violent crime?!

We only stand out on murder. Or so I remember.

C’mon, don’t you read your own posts? Murder in the US is like
1.2% of “violent crime”

I said two things. One, that U.S. crime rates, aside from murder, are
not out of line with Western Europe’s. The victimization data in
table 2 at

http://www.csdp.org/research/hosb1203.pdf

supports that.

The other thing I said was that U.S. murder rates are off the charts,
which is also true - look at table 1.1 of that doc. Of course murder
is a small part of crime.

So my point is that U.S. crime rates are not out of line with
countries that jail a far smaller portion of their pop. We’re
outliers on incarceration, not crime (except for murder, except we’re
pikers next to SA and Russia).

Doug

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